Purana classification and Matsya Purana verses clarification.

It seems the stupidity of Iskcon knows no bounds, following is what they have stated

“The respective works of Yamunacharya and Ramanuja which quote this passage are Agama-prAmANya and vEdArtha-saMgraha. sāttvikeṣu purāṇeṣu māhātmyamadhikam hareḥ /“

Now does Vedartha Samgraha even quote this ? This is something to be considered. They also have the following argument

“Now losers can say padma puran is interpolated but but wait this verse was quoted by sripad Ramanujacharya ji and Yamunacharya ji in 12th century debates along with the whole host vedantist. And the verse from matsya puran was quoted by sripad Ramanujacharya ji and Yamunacharya in vedant sangrah“

So the claim here is that Vedartha Samgraha quotes Padma Purana. Since Sri Ramanuja is in the 12th century he quotes this in his Vedartha Samgraha. Also some Iskconites claim that the verses quoted in Skanda Purana which talk about Tamasatva of Vaishnava Puranas is later 15th century addition and so on. Now we do not know on what basis they say this, we don’t know, maximum they will say no Acharya quoted it before that. We will not go into why this argument does not work. We will simply examine the claim of Iskcon, in order to make a claim they need to show some basis, Iskcon as usual fails to show basis for it’s claims. 1st thing to be clarified here is that the quotation in the Vedarthasamgraha is from Matysa Purana, not Padma Purana. Also this particular section talks about the Satwika, Rajasika and Tamasika Kalpas. It does not talk about Puranas as such. This problem here is that, Iskconites are desparate to the core, they just heard something, Vedartha Samgraha of Sri Ramanuja has this, they do not bother to give reference or exact verses. Following is what Shri Ramanuja says, please find the screen shot below along with translation.

Vedartha Samgraha Published by Ramakrishna Ashrama Pg no 103

Now the 1st question I have to Iskconites is that in what way does this prove that there is a categorisation of Puranas into Satwika, Rajasika and Tamasika ? There is no classification of Puranas even present in the verses quoted by Shri Ramanujacharya.

2nd question, if the Padma Purana categorisation was present during the time of Shri Ramanujacharya, why did he not quote it in the Vedartha Samgraha itself ? I mean the quotation is absent here, in fact in order to prove that Satvatva of Vaishnava related scriptures he takes the help of a Manusmruti quote then the Matsya Purana quote about the various Kalpas. So where is the question of Padma Purana quotes being present during the time of Shri Ramanujacharya ? If they are present why did Shri Ramanujacharya not quote them in his Vedarthasamgraha ?  Does this not show desparation as well as the utter stupidity of Iskconites ? Also it is very easy to show that even if the Satwika, Rajasika and Tamasika Kalpas are shown in the Matysa Purana it does not necessarily prove  that only Vishnu related scriptures are Satwik, why you may ask, since Bhagavat Gita 18.20 , 21 and 22 classifies the Satwika, Rajasika and Tamasika knowledge. We have also shown that both Vaishnava and Shaiva Puranas actually give Satwika knowledge which is Advaita knowledge. There is one more idiotic and moronic argument which Iskcon uses, they use the verse 13.28 to prove that 18.20 means something else,  basically the translation of Prabhupada as follows,

But following are 3 more translations which show this to be completely different.

So does this not prove without a doubt that Iskcon’s arguments are nonsense ?

This is the problem, Iskcon comes up with all sorts of claims and we have to keep debunking them. 1st they said, the Skanda Purana verses quoted by me are not present in Skanda Purana, then when I showed them, they state that this is something later added into it, then they make a claim that Padma Purana verses are quoted by Shri Ramanuja in Vedarthasamgraha.

I want people to understand one thing clearly, stop trusting any claim that Iskcon makes, they are not trust worthy in anyway, they can go down to any pathetic extent. The ways of Iskcon include, lying, personalised attacks, spamming, hitting below the belt and so on. This is what Iskcon’s methods are all about, and also stop calling Iskconites as Vaishnavas, they are Abrahamic slaves nothing more.